My lift drifts down when the pto stops.. . Do you see that as well or just my original post and your responses? Always consult equipment operator's manual and follow safety instructions before operating or servicing any tractor or equipment, or attempting any task. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", It appears you have just learned this to be true! It is hard, but not impossible, to do both with only one pair of hands. Should the cam be smooth across its width? The main reason we replace the fluid is the amount of water that eventually has mixed with it. Start the tractor, press the clutch, make sure the PTO is engaged. These rings are still available, inexpensive and will work just fine, but a small amount of leakdown is normal and is to be expected with them. Of course, once you diagnose the problem you still need to fix it! Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. window.dataLayer = window.dataLayer || []; function gtag(){dataLayer.push(arguments);} gtag('js', new Date()); gtag('config', 'G-04SJ2KTSCK',{ cookie_flags: 'max-age=7200;secure;samesite=none' }); Welcome! If the hydraulics drift down, that usually means the relief valve is squeaking by. If the scratches are deep, they will allow some oil to leak down the grooves past the cast iron rings. If no major leakage is noted, then check the pump pressure as outlined in the FO-4 manual. Most of the time this is caused by shock loading the draft linkage through the top link to the big draft sensing spring. Look for leaks coming from above. "userInteractionCount": 34 If you only have time to do one, do that one. If temperatures have been below freezing, the water will freeze. You will want to do this when the wife isn't around. I'm a little confused on the weld issue. "logo": { Can't remember if bent toward the front, back, or sideways. I don't have a welder. It can be done, but I think that qualifies as abuse. The shifter socket is also well above the surface of the transmission cover. When the pump is new you get a slight knocking as the lift reaches the set height. You must log in or register to reply here. 2009-10-02 166108. The only way arms go up is to hold draft control lever down. }, It is bent forward which I thought would help if anything, wrong? It may not have been changed in many years. Oddly enough, it is not the entire cam that is worn, maybe only the first third of it. 75 Tips Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Just removed and straightened the control rod. What youre hearing is the sound of cams/pistons in the pump banging together. (800) 853-2651Shop Now TRACTOR PARTS Allis Chalmers Case & David Brown Remove the lift cover and remove the 4 bolts holding the cylinder to the cover. Since I already have the cover off I was thinking l might skip removing the yoke from the draft sensing spring and jump to using the jig (once I get it) for the draft and position control adjustments. I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. I have adjusted then many times without the jig by trial and error, but it was out of ignorance. The shifter is a ball and socket that seals well. Looking for some advise on an issue with Ford 800. FORD 9N 2N 8N NAA 600 601 800 TRACTOR LIFT CONTROL LEVER 9N512A . It is bent to the front which I would think would help me. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", Many times you will find that simply replacing the worn pin will take care of the problem without any further adjustments, but you have to completely reassemble the tractor to find out if you are lucky or not. }, I replaced the pin, but still need to order Zane's jig to properly adjust. Dean Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I was wondering if someone had bent it intentionally as a fix . Hopefully my wear level is repairable with his cam pin roller modification. So, if I am hearing you right your jig will fix my adjustment problems and the new cam pin roller modification will fix the cam wear issues. Can't remember if bent toward the front, back, or sideways. Be sure to have a good welder do it. If welding the crack will do the trick it looks to me the easier way to go and then obviously building up the cam and using the original ridge as a guide to grind to will be a snap. 3 - Is it below freezing now? It makes a big difference. Any help would be greatly appreciated. That left only a small amount to drain from the two big plugs. If you have an implement on the lift and it drifts down over a few minutes time after the tractor is shut off you have some leakage. So, you guilted me into starting with step one. There is only one position in which the quadrant support plate can be located where both of the above conditions will be met. It also depends on how much weight you have on the front end. If that is loose or the seal was leaking, plan on replacing the bearing and seal while you have it out. An overhead hoist is a great help. Almost like the pin wore down the cam rather than the pin being worn. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. window.dataLayer = window.dataLayer || []; function gtag(){dataLayer.push(arguments);} gtag('js', new Date()); gtag('config', 'G-04SJ2KTSCK',{ cookie_flags: 'max-age=7200;secure;samesite=none' }); Welcome! and if it looks like the pic, it will need to be repaired. Dec 17, 2013. rmissildine said: Hello all. This means it works better as a year-round fluid. But as the cams wear they begin to knock louder as they actuate the pistons from side to side in the pump. I do see it is bent as well. Dirt and other contaminants collect in the fluid and there is no filtration to remove them. If you will get one of my 8N lift adjusting jig fixtures you can fix that lift. Any suggestions? (b) Operation of Valve. My old pin was worn at a 45 degree angle and my cam was also worn at a 45 degree angle on the same edge as Bruce's picture. (7) Place the position control lever in the forward position. Pic attached. When the air cools moisture condenses on all those cool metal surfaces inside the sump. Thus, I removed the hydraulic control unit to adjust it Welcome! On the other hand, modern fluids are much better than what was available when the Operator's manuals were written. (gritting of the teeth) How's this procedure Zane? Little heat and came off pretty easily. Please use the navigational links to explore our website. "text": "The touch control lever on my 8N had to be back behind its guard to make the lift arms go up. Water is heavier than oil, so this condensation runs down and collects at the bottom of your sump (where the pump is located). Make sure the rod is connected and that it is moving the control valve spools in and out as you move the lift control lever up and down. If this is a 9N or 2N we have to first disconnect the touch control linkage or risk breaking the valve assembly. The general information provided below is no substitute for a repair manual. See the next question. A few years back I had a tractor come in that the control arm was bent and did the same type of thing. My brother-in-law, who is a boat mechanic, is coming by tomorrow. The fluid level in the transmission/hydraulic sump is way less than half full. Be sure to have a good welder do it. Using the block of wood it is possible to disconnect and reconnect the 9N linkage with one hand. Get to the tough questions and you go all shy on me? If its really stuck tight, youll have to pull the pump and rebuild it. I'm new to this forum stuff. Thanks to John Smith of Old Ford Tractor for allowing us to use this information. It can (and probably should) be lightly honed to a cleanup. Of course we would recommend welding / brazing it or taking some where while it is apart . We keep the brush down in the woods. Identify My Tractor Bending the control arm is a lazy man's fix for a worn cam follower pin. Crack a drain plug and turn it out about half a turn. Regardless of the position of my quadrant support plate, I cannot get the valve completely open as directed in step 7a. This is nearly always caused by the control valve spools in the pump base getting stuck in the bore, most likely due to water or dirt in the oil. At the time I had an extra top cover and just installed that on his machine and all was well. The V8-8N has a Howard step-down that provides a second range of gears approximately 1/3 the normal gear ratios. I did take a look at it before I put it back together. 2023 Ford Fordson Collectors Association All Rights Reserved. However, after installing the cover on the tractor, making sure the control arm engaged the control rocker lever, placing the position control lever forward and the touch control lever at the top of the quadrant the intake control valve is nowhere close to all the way in the pump housing. Dean Is the control arm straight? It consists of a pto driven piston type pump with internal control valves and a lift cylinder connected to the rear lift arms. The crack has nothing to do with the lift performance at this time. How's this procedure Zane? It is bent to the front which I would think would help me. My email address is provided for tractor questions. Flattened it no problem. The oil sump holds 5 gallons that is shared with the transmission and rear end of the tractor. The PTO shaft should spin when you release the clutch. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Thanks. So, is it wear or suppose to have concave groove to rest on the dowell? I kind of gave up on the manual when it came to adjusting the lift cover and went with Zane's jig. Of course we would recommend welding / brazing it or taking some where while it is apart . Your email address will not be published. Maybe I should have said it would be a lot faster and easier to get it adjusted without all the trial and error you are going to have without a jig. My guess is that someone used a pin that was too short & too hard. The position control pin and the control arm were both bent. May be where I end up depending on what Zane says. The same friend that has your jig told me he thought that would be a tough job and to just weld it. Once I get the lift arm ram welded I will proceed with the jig. Draining this water is easy to do. There has got to be a better way. I enjoy answering those. If it won't go easy, stop and figure out why. It just ain't possible to adjust the lift linkage on the 8N Ford unless you have a jig to use so that the end of the control rod ends up in the right position. Make sure the rod is connected and that it is moving the control valve spools in and out as you move the lift control lever up and down. I also checked the length of the constant draft control spring, and adjusted the position control spring to the specified 1 29/32 inches. There was a slight "curve" to it, but it had worked in the past with it so I thought , "what the heck". Look for leaks coming from above. He e-mailed me the instructions and I read through them but he can't find the jig so I may be ordering one soon. I have watched you rebuild video twice and find it would be a great help if I needed to rebuild. Call 1-888-567-0015 Facebook Like this: TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. Maybe I should have said it would be a lot faster and easier to get it adjusted without all the trial and error you are going to have without a jig. Yes. The determining factor in which way to go is the condition of the cylinder bore. Epoxy? It is critical. Welding certainly sounds easier if it will do the job. The fluid will look good and work well much longer between changes. The 3-point lift will pick up a lot more weight close to the tractor, than it will out on the end of a boom pole. Figured that out after I sent the last message. As with other things, I like to tackle any sort of lift problem by first checking the possible causes that are No-Cost or Low-Cost items. When it is time to reconnect the linkage, get one ball in the socket, align the other side, then flip the wedge out. A really hard freeze could actually crack something. Thanks for te help. John Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Thanks. There is only one position in which the quadrant support plate can be located where both of the above conditions will be met. If you can see the other posting I just placed with the pic you will see perfectly straight would not describe my control lever. I have a leak in my oil tube (9n567). I can remove the cover and post a pic if it will help. Welding is on the long list of things I know nothing about. Get to the tough questions and you go all shy on me? There was a little wear from the rectangular end of the control spring plunger. Such folks bend it with a length of pipe in the inspection port(s). A premium full-synthetic that says it "MEETS" NH-410B (M2C-134D) is going to be the most expensive option, but it is also going to be the best all-season fluid and lubricant. Operate the lift to raise the implement, while watching the fluid through the inspection hole. When having a 5' foot bush hog connected to the 3 pt arms, the lift height is maybe 3" to 4" max. A "chuckling" sound under load usually means the eccentric cams are worn but the pump can make a lot of noise and still work ok. Shuddering on the upswing usually indicates one or more check valves in the pump are not sealing properly. Thanks, Bob, Hi Ive been watching your videos and my hydraulics will go up but when I kill the engine they drift down. The pump piston pushes the oil out then pulls it back in as it returns. Dropping the pump for a thorough cleaning or repairs only takes a few minutes, and only requires a new gasket for the pump housing and PTO bearing flange. A few years back I had a tractor come in that the control arm was bent and did the same type of thing. completing the adjustment. Tractor Identification & History, About F/FCA Item Information. STOP when the fluid begins to leak out of the bolt hole. Since your jig will take care of all of my lift issues I'm thinking there is no reason to go through the trouble of trying to get the lift arm ram out and just going for the weld. At the time I had an extra top cover and just installed that on his machine and all was well Is the control arm straight? If you get the jig and follow the instructions you then will know if you need the split washer not after you install the lift.. I have a friend that has your jig (or, I should say purchased one). This is an excellent time to rebuild the lift cylinder also. It just ain't possible to adjust the lift linkage on the 8N Ford unless you have a jig to use so that the end of the control rod ends up in the right position. Any comments would be welcome. I don't mind if they mark their territory with an occasional drip. Thanks, while I was hunting around I did see the postings yesterday re Zane's jig, etc. So, is it wear or suppose to have concave groove to rest on the dowell? "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=118401", Your email address will not be published. Then, if you have a jig, adjust the linkage to specs. This one is a separate page Live Hydraulics. I don't have a welder. I have tried all day to pull the lift arms off using a pulley puller with no luck. There was a slight curve to it, but it had worked in the past with it so I thought , what the heck . I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. Should the cam be smooth across its width? With about 800 pounds on the lift arms, the front tires start to come off the ground. To raise the plow pull touch control all the way up to raise the plow. Other possibilities are a defective relief valve or a ruptured oil tube that goes from the pump base to the top cover. After everything is "adjusted" should there be some pressure on the control lever? I had a similar, though much less serious, crack in the ram arm on my 55 860. The control lever and quadrant moves the valve spools on the pump to control the lift. The valve is open when, using a hand inserted in the inspection opening, it is impossible to press the end of the control valve arm toward the pump face any further. Have a fairly heavy weight or load on the lift arms. Make a How did you adjust the draft and position control mechanism? Epoxy? It is critical. I have pulled the pump and cleaned the pump cavity. 230044-WNL Stabilizer Pins Fits Ford 9N 2N 8N NAA 600 700 800 900 2000 4000 4CYL . You can remove the piston fron the cylinder by applying a little compressed air to the oil inlet hole in the cylinder. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Just removed and straightened the control rod. When I was plowing in the spring, when the arms were actually as low as it would go and the tractor would start to loose traction, a slight lift of the position lever would bring the plow up, but then I would have to push down on the draft control lever to get the plow to go higher. Arm, Hydraulic Lift Ram - 8N545B Arm, Hydraulic Lift Ram.OEM #: 8N545B.Application: Ford 8N. Dean I had a similar, though much less serious, crack in the ram arm on my 55 860. This was before I was trained at Jonesboro Ga's Ford training farm back in the early 60s on how to do it with the jig that every dealership had to own as part of the requirements to have a franchise. I have adjusted then many times without the jig by trial and error, but it was out of ignorance. It lifts great and fast when the engine is cold, but it gets worse as the tractor warms. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see OK,OK step one first. I.E., I can grab it and move it freely front to back. If it seems like your hydraulics just arent doing anything, be sure to check that the PTO lever is engaged and then try. "interactionType": "https://schema.org/CommentAction", I previously posted a pic of the crack. I also removed the lift cover and checked and adjusted the constant draft and position cont Welcome! It is bent to the front which I would think would help me. Again, thank you for the help. Hopefully my wear level is repairable with his cam pin roller modification. Time for a pump rebuild. Simple to make from the hardware store. On 8N tractors the ball on the linkage rod just pulls right out of the socket as the top cover or pump are removed. https://www.steinertractor.com/IHS097-bolster-pivot-pin. Zane I would cut a big V into the crack and weld it with a 7018 rod. First of all, this the 3rd 8N I've owned since '96. http://www.bramblett.com/zane/ ZANE Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Zane, Thanks for the info. Get a replacement or straighten the one you have. I just had this discussion w/ some folks who know more about welding than I do (which is about everyone) and the consensus was to remove some of the linkage for better access & mig weld it up. Mar 12, 2013. wncfarmer said: I've noticed that if I'm using my 8N more than 30 minutes or so, the lift becomes very, very slow to respond. Pic attached. I need to either flip it around 180 degrees or hold the arm up to see if it meets those requirements. Replace with the correct hardened dowel pin part number 374072S from Ford/New Holland. Get a replacement or straighten the one you have. Leakdown is probably the most common complaint with the N tractors, but its usually easy to fix. Measuring parts just won't cut it when all the parts are not still the same shape and measurement that they were when new about 50 years ago. "@type": "Organization", Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Linkage bent or adjustments not done correctly. Also, the draft sensing spring seat can be deformed by the implement bouncing up and down during transport over rough terrain. Measuring parts just won't cut it when all the parts are not still the same shape and measurement that they were when new about 50 years ago. Now assembly them on the 3PT lift control arm swing. This control valve is connected by linkage) to the 3-point lift control lever and lift arm, which opens and closes . Drain the sump. The two-sided linkage on the 9N/2N is a much bigger pain in the rump to get hooked up than the single-ended linkage for the 8N. My lift went up but now it wont go down.. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", (2) Put the position control lever in the forward or draft position. Officers and Directors I guess I wasn't clear how futile my effort was to get the lift arm ram off. It just ain't possible to adjust the lift linkage on the 8N Ford unless you have a jig to use so that the end of the control rod ends up in the right position. Start the tractor, press the clutch, make sure the PTO is engaged. Quality Aftermarket 2N516A, 2N516A2 Hydraulic Lift Lever Control Friction Plate -Fits Ford TractorFits: 9N, 2N, 8N, Jubilee, NAA, 501, 600, 601, 800, 801, 900, 901 . Some people recommend flushing the system with kerosene or diesel fuel. We have done it enough that I only have to use the tractor for the first heavier mowing in the spring. plow should lift at the top of the quad in draft contorl.. if it won't.. it needs adjustment. That is all you need, any more will just leak past the axle seals and get on your brakes. The louder the knock, the more wear your pump has on it. I replaced the pin, but still need to order Zane's jig to properly adjust. (Long)", Please use the navigational links to explore our website. Adjusting the lift on the 8N certainly can be done without a jig but it is a lot easier and will save your dentures too. : 34 if you can fix that lift anything, wrong would help me the wore... Bent it intentionally as a year-round fluid }, I previously posted a of! 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